Joey Logano’s Scary Crash Caused By CoT?

43 cars were half-way through the 32nd lap of the AAA 400 at Dover. On the backstretch, a bottleneck occurred in the middle of the pack. A bright orange car with the #20 on each of the sides and roof was knocked sideways into the turn 3 grass, washed up the track in front of traffic, hit the outside barrier, and was hit broad side.

What happened next: Joey Logano’s Home Depot Toyota barrel-rolled down the embankment. 7 times.

It was the second scariest wreck of the 2009 season, only behind Carl Edwards’ catch fence adventure at Talladega in April, and one of the scariest I have ever witnessed. By the hand of the Good Lord, Logano climbed out alright.

And as usual, the credit for Logano’s well-being went to NASCAR’s pride and joy. No, not Jimmie Johnson. Their coveted Car of Tomorrow.

But as I watched replays of the accident, over and over again, I couldn’t help but wonder one thing:

Was Joey Logano’s frightening accident actually caused by the Car itself?

In all of my days watching NASCAR, I’d never seen anything like this accident. Logano hit the wall head-on, but he bled off so much speed spinning down the track, and then back up again, that he couldn’t have hit it very hard. At least, not hard enough to get him airborne. Logano also got hit in the side by Reed Sorenson, but again, it wasn’t like he was hit hard enough to get him airborne.

After watching the crash several times over, I came to one conclusion: The Car flipped because it is top-heavy.

When Sorenson hit Logano, it knocked the right-side tires off the pavement only slightly. Logano’s car also started back down the track, left-side tires first. The Car, as boxy as it is, started into a rolling motion. The more momentum the Car gathered, the faster the process became until finally, the Car traveled in an all-out barrel-roll. Something you never saw in the older car.

This isn’t the first time the Car has gotten credit for the well-being of a driver when it was, in fact, the potential cause of the accident, however.

Remember Michael McDowell’s qualifying crash at Texas? Let us remember what happened. McDowell went into the turn sideways, over-corrected to the right, and went into the wall at full speed with the left-front. The car flipped several times before finally coming to a rest at the apron. That was with the CoT platform.

A similar crash happened at a similar track, only with the old body style. In 2007, David Reutimann was turned sideways late in the race at Auto Club Speedway(California) by Greg Biffle. Reutimann also over-corrected and went into the wall in exactly the same fashion as McDowell. The difference: Reutimann did not go for the ride of a lifetime.

Carl Edwards’ wreck at Talladega was also caused by the CoT, and its ability to run very successfully in a two-car draft. Remember, the old car would not allow drivers to do what Edwards and Keselowski did on that day, as evidenced by the Nationwide race the day before. If not for the CoT’s ability to run that successfully in a two-car draft, Edwards would have likely spun back up into a pack of cars and caused a multi-car crash, instead of going on a wild flying adventure and endangering fans.

What do you think? Has the CoT kept drivers safer, or has it created more dangerous situations?

Topics: Carl Edwards, David Reutimann, Joey Logano, Michael McDowell

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  • Shootout Style

    Carl Long took a similar ride with the old car at Rockingham in 2004. (minus two rolls, but with less banking to roll down where he was).

    It happens.

  • CJ

    I think the car flipping in this race and the previous at TMS were caused by a more severe banking. The cars are more top heavy, but a 30 degree banking is no help either. California is a flat track in comparison, and would make it much more difficult for the cars to roll. I think with either car, there will be different situations, but in NASCAR, there will be wrecks, and this car has proved to be safe!

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  • hopper

    Hey Shootout Style,

    Long’s wreck was different from that of Logano’s. Long flipped because his car rode up the wall and got on its side. Logano’s happened because, after he got hit, the top of the car started coming over and as he rolled down the embankment, the car started into a barrel-roll.

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  • Jersey Racefan

    If the car is top heavy, why then when it stopped rolling did it rock back and land on it’s wheels? It rocked back so far I was amazed! Now if the car is so top heavy as you claim, it would have made one more roll and end up on it’s roof! You’re an idiot!

    • hopper

      Jersey Racefan, the car never really stopped rolling. It was just rolling very slowly, and when it was on its side, the side of the roof just above the driver’s door hit the pavement, shifting the weight just enough to knock the car back on all fours.

      As for Geoff, yes Carl’s car did indeed get hit by Newman’s car. But let us remember why he went airborne in the first place. He and Keselowski got hooked up and were going so fast that when Edwards got turned, he began going airborne. And because they had pulled so far in front of the pack, Edwards didn’t have any cars to bounce off of to keep him on the ground like there would have been on the final lap of the N’Wide race the day before(if there had been a wreck on the last lap in that race).

  • geoff

    AH Hopper, you are confused
    Carl Edwards car got sent back up after being hit by Newmans car
    Joeys crash was alot of things combined other then the car
    you have missed pebble again
    geoff fl

  • http://Twitter MUTiger88

    The car was lifted from it’s wheels by the impact with the 43 and then pushed over by the 43 and the banking perpetuated the roll. I think the Crap On Tires care is safer but it is not competitive. It’s brick like characteristics make it less than aerodynamic. In this case I think that the brick like design contributed to the crash but did not cause it. The car is definetly a protected species by Nascar but I don’t think it is the bad guy this time. It’s just bad period.

  • http://stockcarspin.com Steve

    Boy, I’ve learned so much today! Two things especially! I was educated to the effect that David Reutimann has been the VICTIM of an accident. Current “intelligence” says he causes all the accidents that occur, even if he isn’t near them or even on the track. Also, Hopper is an idiot! And that isn’t even from Marc! (Where did he disappear to anyway, thank you Lord!)

    Best regards,
    A fellow idiot

  • hopper

    Haha! I can tell you where he went. Once we realized that you can’t argue with crazy people, he got bored and evaporated into oblivion.

    God bless and, as always, thanks for commenting, fellow idiot. :)

  • AintSeenNuthinYet

    Rusty Wallace’s 10 rolls down the backstretch of Talladega in ’93 would’ve been caused by the car of that era. So if 10 is greater than 7, it makes that wreck worse.

    Every wreck ever caused could be said to be worse due to the car it happened in because you saw it. And then you compared it to an imaginary wreck in an imaginary car where the wreck wasn’t as bad.

    Queue up Bodine ’00 Daytona Truck race or Reutiman ’05 Texas for some hellacious crashes. The two you saw this year were nuthin yet.

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  • hopper

    I don’t know what you’re trying to prove by comparing a Talladega wreck to a Dover wreck. Of course the Dega wreck is going to be worse. It’s a high-speed track. If you want to compare the severity of two crashes, compare Wallace’s 10 flips to Edwards in the catch fence. Which is worse?

    Yes, I compared the CoT Talladega crash to an imaginary one. You know why? Because nothing like that ever happened in the old car. That’s the whole point.

    As for the two truck accidents, in case you hadn’t noticed, the truck nose practically is the CoT nose, making the trucks more like the CoT than any other car on any other race track.

    Thank you for reading.

  • geoff

    AH Hopper,confused again
    Bobby Allison is not imaginary
    you have missed pebble again
    geoff fl

    • hopper

      Alright Geoff, so now we are going to compare Allison’s crash, which happened in an even older style of car, with Edwards’. At least you have now found an accident with an older body style that had the same result as one with the CoT. But alas, you forget that was before restrictor plates were implemented, and way before the body style previous to the CoT’s was brought into the sport. Sorry, try again.

  • MISSU3

    Yup, never had any cars flipping or rolling until that dreaded COT showed up. YES, we did and those guys didn’t climb out of the car unhurt. Just hate to give any credit to NASCAR for anything, huh? Joey thanked God and I hope Edwards, McDowell and Joey all thanked Dale Earnhardt next, because he is the reason they are safe.

  • hopper

    I am aware of the fact that we did have flips in the older cars. But they weren’t like this. Nearly all of those were at plate tracks where the speeds are high, and the air got up underneath the car and flipped it. There were a few freak exceptions(like Park at Pocono and Long at the Rock), but they didn’t happen frequently. This has been twice in a year and a half. We also never saw a catch fence adventure with the older style body of car after the roof flaps and plates and all that were added. Yes, we did see flips with the old car, but not flips like this.

  • hopper

    Also, to correct you on your point about drivers flipping and not being unhurt before the CoT, between the years of 2001-2007(the years with the old car/hans devices/roof flaps/plates/etc.), there were 10 flips total in the Sprint Cup series(correct me if I’m missing any).

    2001: Tony Stewart(Daytona 500), Bobby Labonte(EA Sports 500)
    2002: Steve Park(Pocono 500)
    2003: Ryan Newman(Daytona 500), Elliott Sadler(EA Sports 500)
    2004: Michael Waltrip(Daytona 500), Carl Long(Rockingham 400)
    2005: Scott Wimmer(Daytona 500), Scott Riggs(UAW Ford 500)
    2006: NONE
    2007: Clint Bowyer(Daytona 500)

    8 of those came at plate tracks. NOBODY hit the catch fence. And the most important fact: Nobody was hurt, with the exception of Elliott Sadler, who was released from the hospital the next day.

    In 7 years, 1 person was hurt in flips by the old car, and he raced the next week. In 2 years with the CoT, 8 people have been hurt(fans at Talladega after the catch fence accident).

    Which car is safer?

  • http://stockcarspin.com Steve

    We have mentioned the Bobby Allison catch fence flip an Rusty’s classic, but no one has mentioned Ricky Rudd’s pirouette (sp?) at Daytona where he taped his eyes open the next days to race! Stud of the decade, in my opinion. And on another neat subject, when Ricky unretired to go back to Yates racing, our friend Jimmy Spencer mentioned their Bible studies together (I assume with their wives). God has protected many, and to adapt Jimmy”s signature quote, “God never forgets”.

  • Shootout Style

    I’d certainly add a slew of ARCA crashes in Cup-spec cars. Including Clair Zimmerman getting into the fence at Daytona in 2005 and Ryan Fischer even getting a piece of the fence at Gateway in 2007.

    When cars crash, crazy things happen. And I have no love for the COT.

  • hopper

    Amen to that, Steve! God has indeed protected many, and he does so every day.

    Shootout, good point. The ARCA crashes did happen in the old body style of race cars. I’m glad somebody finally made a good argument. However, I do have one question. Why is it that so many people say they hate the CoT, and then when somebody calls it out, people go crazy and start making arguments for it? Heck, some people have even started name-calling. Just an observation.

  • geoff

    AH Hopper
    did not search it,some have seen it
    similar crash thats all
    been fun,lookin forward to national open from the grove
    geoff fl